http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/constantinian-model-vs-missional-model/ Sun, 31 May 2009 13:42:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/constantinian-model-vs-missional-model/#comment-173 Mark R Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:20:22 +0000 http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/?p=238#comment-173 GIVE ME A HIGH FIVE!!!! GIVE ME A HIGH FIVE!!!!

]]> http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/constantinian-model-vs-missional-model/#comment-172 Daniel Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:00:54 +0000 http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/?p=238#comment-172 Great points and great questions. The more God has opened my eyes to these issues, the more I've realized that we are not just dealing with the institutional church system, but the institutional church mindset. What that ends up meaning is that we can't look at things from a surface level, and assume that they are any different than the Constantinian model, as you put it. A small group meeting in a living room can be just as Constantinian as 300 people sitting in pews. Planning small, neighborhood scale programs designed to attract surrounding neighbors is no different than the production of massive, evangelistic events. Of course we have abandon the buildings and systems, but we have to go further than that, helping people to learn to live their lives in a Spirit-led, spontaneous manner, which then is simply reflected in the way the group operates when it gathers and when as a body we turn to reach the world. Great points and great questions. The more God has opened my eyes to these issues, the more I’ve realized that we are not just dealing with the institutional church system, but the institutional church mindset. What that ends up meaning is that we can’t look at things from a surface level, and assume that they are any different than the Constantinian model, as you put it. A small group meeting in a living room can be just as Constantinian as 300 people sitting in pews. Planning small, neighborhood scale programs designed to attract surrounding neighbors is no different than the production of massive, evangelistic events. Of course we have abandon the buildings and systems, but we have to go further than that, helping people to learn to live their lives in a Spirit-led, spontaneous manner, which then is simply reflected in the way the group operates when it gathers and when as a body we turn to reach the world.

]]> http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/constantinian-model-vs-missional-model/#comment-171 Mark Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:07:36 +0000 http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/?p=238#comment-171 Great Post! Maybe we are the same person after all. Check out my latest Modern Church Translation for 2nd Peter 1: 3 and 4. We have made some remarkably close statements. Great Post! Maybe we are the same person after all. Check out my latest Modern Church Translation for 2nd Peter 1: 3 and 4. We have made some remarkably close statements.

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